Respectfully, cite some valid scientific evidence
First published on SEP 1, 2023 here:
https://christinemasseyfois.substack.com/p/a-response-to-dr-vernon-coleman
Greetings Dr Coleman,
You’ve published an article directed at people who dispute germ theory.
I’ve quoted your article in brackets and italics below, and give my own personal responses in bold.
[Most of the rather hysterical, sometimes simple minded and often abusive converts who promote the idea that there are no germs (some claim that there are no viruses) but this is merely a variation on an unsustainable, pseudoscientific theme)…]
I point out that no “virus” has been logically/scientifically shown to exist, and that literally hundreds (~250) of freedom of information responses from 217 institutions in 40 countries align with what is seen in the virology literature: that there is zero “SARS-COV-2” science.
I also point out that the many attempts to demonstrate contagion have failed, and that Freedom of Information requests to the CDC for proof that allegedly “pathogenic” bacteria cause certain illnesses have also come up empty thus far.
[…have no medical training or practical experience…]
Medical training or lack thereof is not proof of “germs”.
Practical experience with what? If you claim to have experience with “germs”, please cite valid scientific evidence to support your positive claim. I challenge you to do so, without delay.
[and don’t realise that they are being used by the Conspirators pushing us towards the Great Reset.]
“Virus”/“germ” stories have played a major role in pushing us towards “the Great Reset”. Accurately refuting them is helpful to those who value freedom, not harmful.
[It is easy to prove this. People who promote the idea that there are no germs still have channels on YouTube. The conspirators don’t want them removed because promoting the idea that germs don’t exist is part of the conspiracy.]
You might want to do a search on youtube for germ/contagion content before you get too carried away with this line of reasoning.
I also suggest you check out the channels of Dr. Sam Bailey, Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Spacebusters /Steve Falconer and other people who so effectively dispute your position on “germs”. Compare what you find there on this topic to the volume of their videos on other platforms.
And notice that some of their youtube videos are simply trailers, because the full video would result in a strike. They’ve learned to work-around.
Regardless and more importantly, the volume of youtube content on a topic is not how accuracy is determined. So I challenge you to support your position on “germs” by citing valid science, without delay.
[For over half a century now I have earned my living doing research and dispelling propaganda, lies and deceits – wherever their origin was. I have worked as a hospital doctor and a GP principal and I have edited two medical journals and written papers for many more. I founded and edited my own medical journal which eventually had to close after an expensive legal action brought by a syndicate of drug companies. I never accepted any advertising for my journal – which I had to subsidise with my book earnings. I’ve also written scores of papers for numerous medical and scientific journals.]
Your background makes it easy for you to find scientific publications that support your position on “germs”, if they exist. Please cite some if they exist, posthaste.
[But, like most truth-tellers, my YouTube channel was removed in its entirety. YouTube even told me that I wasn’t allowed to look at other people’s videos. And YouTube went back years to remove TV programmes and appearances I’d made decades ago.]
Yes, that proves it – you’re correct and germ theory is legit. Who needs science?
[Whatever reputation I had before I was monstered and vilified by Google et al was built on one simple fact: I told the truth about vaccines, drugs and scandalously over-promoted diseases such as AIDS and covid-19….]
If you have warned people about harm from “vaccines” – that is wonderful. Thank you.
And, if the truth you’ve told about “vaccines” includes the purported existence of “viruses” and/or that some bacteria are pathogenic, I challenge you to cite valid science – particularly for “SARS-COV-2”, and for “HIV” if “it” is part of your AIDS reporting.
[Many years ago I was the first doctor to point out that doctors were one of the top three causes of death and illness – alongside cancer and circulatory disorders.]
Well done. Thank you for warning people.
[I was for a while confused as to why anyone should believe such an obvious nonsense that there are no germs until I realised that the whole `no germ’ operation was a military psy-op.]
I do not work for a military and my position is based on what I have read in pseudoscientific research papers, my massive collection of Freedom of Information responses (here, here, here and here), and excellent educational resources created by others.
[I have yet to meet one qualified medical doctor who believes that germs don’t exist.]
I have, but meeting and not meeting people is not how the scientific method works, so please cite valid science demonstrating “germs” if you can.
[And I honestly don’t see how anyone who understands the human body and health care could possibly believe such nonsense.]
I do not want to misinform anyone, therefore please cite valid science showing that I’m wrong, if my position is nonsense.
[Are there really any educated people arrogant enough to think they are more intelligent than Fracastorio, van Leeuwenhoek, Petty, Holmes, Fleming, Lister, Semmelweis and Snow? And remember: those pushing the idea that there are no germs are allowed to remain on YouTube!]
You seem to be arguing for germ theory based on ad hominem and other logical fallacies. Citing valid studies would be the compelling, professional, scientific approach.
[Many of those who claim that there are no germs have little or no understanding of the human body and have no practical clinical experience; they are, in short, ultracrepidarians of the worst and most dangerous kind.]
See above re logical fallacies.
[The key, of course, is that the noisy group of people who claim that there are no germs (not a few of whom also turn out to believe that the earth is flat) are often allowed to roam freely on YouTube and social media because the conspirators regard them as a valuable asset rather than a threat.]
Cite valid scientific evidence of these purported “germs”?
See above re logical fallacies.
[And some of them are downright vicious. Individuals denying the existence of germs (probably controlled by the conspirators and the intelligence agencies) have lied about me, attacked me and threatened me…]
Cite valid scientific evidence of these “germs”?
See above re logical fallacies.
Also, as I pointed out to Robin Monotti: if you’re going to accuse people it’s always best to make clear who you’re talking about and provide evidence.
That’s what I did with the very aggressive germ-pushers Steve Kirsch, Richard Fleming and Kevin McCairn. I carefully documented their lies/misrepresentations, vulgarity, empty “challenges” and the like, for everyone to see – including Steve’s public contemplation of how to “punish” me for what he called “the Christine Massey problem”. So that no one needs to speculate or take my word for it.
I assure you, “germ deniers” take plenty of abuse.
[I get attacked more by the Conspirators and Globalists than any other doctor on earth. This has been going on for decades.]
The conspirators and globalists – do they deny the concepts of germs, or promote it and use it as a weapon against the rest of us?
If they promote it and use it as a weapon… then demanding evidence and pointing out the lack thereof is a useful thing to do.
[And the folk who don’t believe in the existence of germs (largely the same people)…]
Same people as the conspirators and globalists? See above re accusations.
And your valid scientific evidence of “germs” is… where exactly?
[…seem to have decided to put the boot in too. Every time I make a video, the comments section contains gibberish from idiots who have no medical knowledge or experience whatsoever –…]
Application of logic does not require “medical knowledge”.
Experience with…? If you mean experience with “germs” as a cause of illness, see above.
[…but who are convinced that they are right and that there are no germs or infectious diseases. (Actually, I sometimes suspect that the vocal critics are probably just a relatively small number of people who pretend not to believe there are any germs. They are members of the CIA, use a hundred false names and spend all their days putting rude messages on anything sensible which they think could threaten the Great Reset.)]
See above re accusations.
[I’ve had two quite seriously intended death threats from people claiming that there are no germs – fanatics who were quite unable to produce any evidence for their claims.]
As I pointed out to Robin Monotti: the onus is on those making the positive claim that something does exist. People who point out the flaws in virology [or “germ” evidence] have no onus on them, but have gone far above and beyond the call of duty by collecting evidence and creating excellent educational resources that have opened many eyes.
See above re accusations.
[And remember – some of those arguing that there are no germs are still allowed on YouTube for heaven’s sake! I think this is significant. As a general rule any writer or doctor who still has open access to YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and any of the social media is surely not considered a threat to the Great Reset. Similarly anyone with a Wikipedia page which doesn’t make them look like a combination of Ghengis Khan and Jack the Ripper is clearly being supported by the conspirators. My own long established Wikipedia page was suddenly torn apart and rewritten and stuffed with nonsense after I made a truthful video about covid-19 in March 2020.]
See above.
[The notion that germs don’t exist is, in my view, in the same category as the idea that the earth is flat, the myth that global warming is real and the nonsense that vaccines are safe and good.]
Now about that evidence…
[I believe the bizarre theory that there are no germs was designed to split the resistance movement and to make people look stupid for supporting the idea. And it has been very efficient at doing exactly that.]
Respectfully, embracing the unsupported conclusions of bizarre “germ” studies that used invalid methods and circular reasoning to shut down the world – even after the flaws have been pointed out – seems a special kind of stupid.
As I explained to Robin: while we might have some shared goals, we are moving in different directions when it comes to “viruses” – which is perfectly fine. Compromising integrity for the stake of some feigned “unity” doesn’t interest me.
Also no-virus is not a theory, it’s the refutation of a story that isn’t quite a “theory” because it has no valid science behind it.
[I fear that the essentially doomed campaign to convince the world that there are no germs and no infectious diseases has torn the truth movement in half and destroyed whatever chance we had of defeating the dark forces of the conspirators.]
I’m sorry you’re afraid.
And your valid scientific evidence of infectious diseases is… ?
[I firmly believe that the CIA has been responsible for promoting the idea that germs don’t exist. The CIA knows darned well that the public will never take anyone seriously if they argue that there are no germs. Most people are only too well aware of the way that colds, flu, measles and chickenpox, etc. spread through families, schools and co-workers.]
Please cite valid scientific evidence that colds, flu, measles and chickenpox, etc. spread through families, schools and co-workers.
A list of failed attempts to demonstrate contagion can be found here.
Many members of the public have already caught on and it’s the germ-pushers they will never take seriously again.
[Since I have been banned, abused and lied about more than any other doctor in the resistance movement, and since I have now been attacking drug companies and the medical establishment for well over half a century, I feel entitled to make a small contribution to what could have been a debate but has simply been yet another excuse for fist waving.]
Asking for valid evidence of claims, and pointing out hundreds of freedom of information responses and the failed attempts to prove contagion and the “germ” fixation is not “fist waving”.
[I am afraid that my comments will upset some people who have been tricked into believing that there are no germs…]
Again, I’m sorry you’re afraid. And that valid scientific evidence is….?
[… but the conspirators have destroyed my career and reputation because I have told the truth about covid…]
So there’s no reason to not cite valid scientific evidence of “SARS-COV-2” at this point… unless of course it doesn’t exist.
[…drug companies, vaccines, etc. and I see no reason to suppress the truth about germs…]
Stories about “germs” have hardly been suppressed – by you or anyone else.
[…in order to avoid upsetting a few people who don’t believe germs exist.]
It’s hard to understand why you’d get this worked up over what you consider a few stupid-looking germ-deniers. Maybe the fact that there’s a lot more than a few of us has something to do with it?
[To put my views in perspective, I should point out that in addition to researching and writing about drug treatment, iatrogenesis and drug side effects, I have been writing about the power of the human body to defend itself for well over 50 years – with enthusiasm. Back in the 1970s and 1980s I wrote hundreds of thousands of words about the power and self-repairing capabilities of the human body in remaining healthy and resisting disease – both in dozens of articles and in books which sold around the world and introduced the concept to millions. I have continued to write about these principles (and, in particular, the way in which the human body can protect and heal itself) in many of my books….]
And therefore you should have no difficulty whatsoever in citing valid evidence to back up your claims… and still you haven’t.
[I think I am entitled to say, therefore, that, unlike those who hurl abuse at me, and who decorate their abuse with extraordinary flashes of ignorance, I know of what I speak.]
Absolutely, you’re entitled to say it. And others are entitled to challenge you.
[So, here are some indisputable facts:
Those who do not believe in germ theory seem uncertain as to the parameters of their argument. Some talk about germs and some specify viruses. Some say there are no infectious diseases. And some say that the human body has no immune system.]
This is what happens with free people, they say different things.
And your valid scientific evidence of “germs” is …. where?
The less well educated (who seem prolific in their writings, usually prefer to remain anonymous and display a breath-taking mixture of arrogance and ignorance) really do need to understand that not all germs are viruses – there are also bacteria for example.
I literally do not know a single person who thinks that all alleged “germs” are “viruses”.
You’re devoting a lot of space to dissing “germ deniers” and still haven’t cited any valid evidence.
[Since the most commonly expressed theory seems to be that there are no germs, let’s stick with that for the moment.]
As I explained to Robin, I do not put forth a “theory”, I help to refute virus/germ “theory” and point out verifiable facts, including about official confessions/failures from the CDC and hundreds of other “health” and “science” institutions (see here, here, here and here).
[Like most people I have known about the germ theory…]
Key wording being “theory”. “Hypothesis” would be more accurate.
[since nearly everyone in my primary school class caught chickenpox at the same time.]
People getting sick at the same time is not proof that they “caught” anything.
As Andy Kaufman has pointed out, trees turning colour and their leaves dropping in the fall is not proof that they “caught” something from each other.
[More confirmatory evidence was provided weekly when I was a GP and saw numerous infectious diseases spread through families and communities.]
You saw people get sick in the same time period and assumed infectious diseases were spreading, as many people do – based on a lifetime of conditioning.
If you know of valid scientific evidence supporting this assumption, please cite it posthaste.
[Those who claim that there are no infectious diseases should take a look a little more at the science of epidemiology.]
Epidemiology is not science; it does not adhere to the scientific method.
[As a starting point I recommend the excellent work of Dr Pickles who practised in Yorkshire, England in the 20th century. He was a GP but his ground-breaking work on the spread of infections was of vital importance. No one can claim to understand germ theory without a proper understanding of the science of epidemiology…]
Epidemiology is not science, and could not possibly demonstrate the existence of an alleged “virus” particle, or prove causation of anything.
[…and once you understand epidemiology it is impossible not to accept germ theory.]
I’m a former professional statistician who 1) knows that epidemiology is not a science, and 2) rejects germ theory based on the lack of evidence, including the failure to even demonstrate contagion.
[The science and principles of epidemiology stand upon germ theory as writing stands upon the alphabet.]
Epidemiology is not a science and you still haven’t cited any valid evidence of “germs”.
[Those who would like to dismiss germ theory completely must first explain away Dr John Snow’s success in ridding an area of London of cholera, simply by removing the Broad Street pump handle.
This, of course, is quite impossible unless you accept germ theory. Snow has always been widely regarded within the medical profession as the most significant medical thinker of all time. You cannot begin to understand the significance of infectious disease in medical practice without reading ‘The Case Books of Dr John Snow’. Also, how do those who dismiss Germ Theory explain the spread of smallpox amongst Native American Indians when they were given infected blankets by the Spanish?]
Cool stories. Your attempts to reverse the burden of proof are noted.
Please cite the valid scientific studies that were referenced in “The Case Books of Dr John Snow” or anywhere else, if there are any, to support your positive claims, without delay.
[Those who dismiss the germ theory are replete with opinions, assertions, misinterpretations, extrapolations and anecdotes but not much in the way of science. Shouting and hurling abuse are not evidence but are, rather, a meaningless distraction from more vital issues. Attempts to argue against germ theory are impossible to sustain in scientific terms and are rather akin to trying to argue that the earth is flat. (I have noted that many of those who claim that germs do not exist also claim that the earth is flat. I suspect that this is not a coincidence.)]
See above re logical fallacies and accusations.
[The controversy over the germ theory has been adopted by fifth columnists and controlled opposition. These are frequently bullies and are responsible for much of the abuse and arrant pseudoscientific nonsense appearing online. Their plan is a simple one: to make the truth-tellers look stupid to the rest of the world by claiming that germs and infections don’t exist – and to annoy those of us who have been telling the truth since the start of this conspiracy. I fear that anyone who complains about this short article will, wittingly or unwittingly, be representing the conspiracy.]
See above re logical fallacies, accusations and please cite valid evidence of “germs”.
[I wonder how many of those who claim there are no germs would be willing to have a surgical operation without the surgeon washing his hands or wearing gloves. In Victorian times (pre-Lister) surgeons would operate in their street clothes and sharpen their knives on the soles of their boots.]
See above re logical fallacies.
Most of the patients who were subjected to surgical procedures under these conditions died from infections contracted on the operating table.]
Please cite valid scientific evidence for your unsupported assertion that people died as a result of infections.
[Do those who don’t believe in germs really believe that patients died or survived by coincidence? Lister proved the significance of germs in the operating theatre beyond any question. His work was vital.]
If Lister proved “the significance of germs”, please cite the valid scientific evidence that he produced.
[I strongly urge those who do not believe in the existence of germs to study the observations and experience of Dr Ignaz Semmelweis. They will find his experiences instructive. If there is no germ theory then Semmelweis was wrong and Semmelweis cannot have been wrong because his actions, in putting his theory into practice and dramatically reducing the incidence of puerperal fever in the hospital where he worked, proved that he was right.
I strongly urge those who do believe, to review the literature and the scientific method, apply logic, and cite valid scientific studies if/when you find any. I will stand corrected if you do.
[All women who go safely through childbirth owe Semmelweis a big thank you. The history of medicine is packed with similar stories…]
Key word being “stories” when it comes to “germs”.
[…which are ignored as simply ‘inconvenient’…]
Please do not put words in my mouth. My position has nothing to do with convenience.
[…by those who foolishly claim that there are no germs and no infections.]
You are conflating and misrepresenting.
[In February 2020 when I first questioned the covid threat on my website and argued that the so-called coronavirus threat was no more than the annual flu rebranded, I was immediately attacked by the conspirators’ handmaidens. However, I have proved time and time again (using government statistics) that covid-19 is merely the rebranded flu. Even the WHO admitted that when covid-19 appeared the traditional flu disappeared. And the figures show that the number of deaths caused by covid-19 matched the number of deaths from the flu in previous years. Covid-19 was nothing more nor less than the annual flu but it was deliberately marketed to create fear and provide an excuse to introduce a toxic vaccine.]
For sure, fake-covid involved lots of rebranding, and was marketed to create fear and provide an excuse to introduce a toxic vaccine.
Fake-covid diagnoses are based on fraudulent, meaningless laboratory tests, no symptoms required – hence the many “asymptomatic cases”. Even perfectly well people were slapped with the “covid-19” label, as were people with conditions besides the flu.
Regardless, enough of the stories. I challenge you to cite valid scientific evidence.
[Finally, here is a question for all those who do not believe in the existence of germs: ‘If you ever need an operation (and I hope you don’t) would you be happy for the surgeon to sharpen his knife on the sole of his boot and wipe the blade on the tail of his coat (which is what surgeons used to do before principles of asepsis were introduced) or would you rather that he washed his hands and used sterilised instruments to reduce the risk of infection?]
Cite a valid scientific study demonstrating the alleged “risk of infection”, then we can talk about what I might do to reduce it.
All About That Measles Trial
Translation of an article by Dr. Stefan Lanka about the historic measles trial that in a sane world have ended virology years ago
Official Evidence that Virology is Pseudoscience – June 10 2023
– 40 minute video introduction to the massive body of evidence collected on my website, primarily in the form of freedom of information responses from 217 institutions in 40 countries, including a ridiculous response from the W.H.O., and email correspondences directly with “SARS-COV-2” researchers.
Freedom of Information Responses reveal that health/science institutions around the world (217 and counting!) have no record of SARS-COV-2 isolation/purification, anywhere, ever
(includes emails from investigative journalist Torsten Engelbrecht directly to “SARS-COV-2” researchers)
FOIs reveal that health/science institutions have no record of any “virus” having been found in a “host” and isolated/purified. Because virology isn’t a science.
Do virologists perform valid control experiments? Is virology a science?
(includes FOI responses from institutions and more email exchanges directly with “SARS-COV-2” researchers)
So What the Hell Is Going On?
(articles, videos, etc. showing how perps pulled off fake-covid without a virus, and more end-of-germ-theory resources)
Best wishes,
Christine
Addendum, September 13, 2023
Dr Sam Bailey addressed some of Dr Coleman’s remarks in the video below
5 Spectacular Fails From Germ Theory
https://drsambailey.substack.com/p/5-spectacular-fails-from-germ-theory
